On day 34, it appears the partial government shutdown is entering a new phase, with numerous groups and agencies crossing ideological lines and calling for an immediate end to the shutdown, including five former Homeland Security secretaries — former White House Chief of Staff John Kelly among them.

Today, two votes failed in the Senate as expected. One, sponsored by the Democrats, would have temporarily reopened the government. The other, sponsored by the Republicans, would have included money for President Donald Trump’s border wall as well as significant changes to immigration policies like asylum and DACA that were not included in the president’s weekend announcement. So where do negotiations now stand?

Jim Braude was joined by Joanna Weiss, former Boston Globe columnist and now editor of Experience Magazine at Northeastern University; and Jennifer Nassour, former chair of the Massachusetts Republican Party, now COO of ReflectUS — a bipartisan, female-focused political organization.