Earlier this year, Secretary of Education Betsy DeVos and president of the American Federation of Teachers Randi Weingarten took a much-publicized trip to the rural public school district of Van Wert, Ohio. 

But the trip did not seem to yield many points of consensus between the two leaders. At her union's annual convention in late July, Weingarten called DeVos an “ideologue who wants to destabilize and privatize the public schools that millions of Americans value and rely upon.” DeVos countered with a competing speech for accusing unions "car[ing] more about a system, one created in the 1800s, than they do about individual students.”

Weingarten joined Boston Public Radio to elaborate on her comments, and to discuss other topics in education—including how the failure of the GOP Senate health care bill could impact public schools. Click the audio link above to hear more from Randi Weingarten.