It seems hard to believe that for nearly a week now, the focus of our national attention has been drawn to a spat between the president of the United States and a gold star family grieving their loss. But this is where we are. In this episode of The SCIF, Juliette speaks with Pod Save America co-host and former spokesman for the National Security Council Tommy Vietor about his experience in the Obama White House, how it contrasts with the Trump administration's approach to national security, and how he hopes his work at Crooked Media will provide an outlet for others who have been outraged by the president's actions in his first nine months in office.

An earlier version of the audio included with this post stated Sgt. La David Johnson’s name as Sgt. Thompson. The audio has been corrected.