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Chances are your local mall is hurting. There are roughly 1,200 enclosed malls in the U.S. and only about a third of them are doing well.

Online shopping, the recession and demographic shifts are some of the factors killing shopping malls. And as these changes leave behind huge concrete carcasses, they're being "reimagined" into everything from medical centers to hockey rinks.

Ellen Dunham-Jones, a professor of architecture and urban design at Georgia Institute of Technology, has been following dead and dying malls in both urban and suburban landscapes. She speaks with NPR's Steve Inskeep.

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What are malls being turned into?

Usually when a mall dies, there's a reason — there was too much competition from other malls or something — so it's not always the best move to try to replace it with retail. We find all sorts of interesting things. They're being turned into office space — Google Glass happens to now be in a former dead mall. They're being turned into medical centers, churches, schools and universities, civic functions. Some of them have played a role in disaster recovery.

On new suburban downtowns replacing malls

There's about 40 malls that have more or less bulldozed the existing mall and are now building the downtown that that suburb never had before. One example is Belmar in Lakewood, Colo., just outside of Denver. It used to be the Villa Italia Mall, a very large regional mall on a 100-acre single, superblock site. Today it's 22 blocks of walkable, urban streets that connect up with the neighboring streets. At the ground floor you get a lot of shops, and then above that, a lot of either offices or apartments. At the same time, they basically tripled density on that site but they've more than quadrupled the tax revenue that the town is receiving and ... actually cut traffic because so many of those people now are able to walk to their daily needs.

On the mixed-use development real estate trend that has replaced the shopping mall trend

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