As outrage grows over the treatment of the nearly 2,000 children being torn away from their families at the border, the Trump administration is doubling down on their policy.

Department of Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen said she “would not apologize for doing [her] job,” and President Trump said in a press conference today that, “The United States will not be a migrant camp.”

Presidential historian and Pulitzer Prize-winning author Jon Meacham joined Jim Braude to discuss those current tensions and how we might not be in the worst of times, as described in his new book, The Soul of America: The Battle for Our Better Angels.