President Donald Trump praised the killing of ISIS founder Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi this weekend in northern Syria, holding it up as a significant foreign policy achievement. However, some reports have indicated that the success comes not because of, but in spite of, his actions in the region, including the much-criticized removal of American troops that left Kurdish allies in the lurch.

To discuss all this and more, Jim Braude was joined by New York Times national security correspondent David Sanger, who is also a senior fellow at Harvard’s Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs.