The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention recently came under fire from public health experts for changing federal testing guidelines to say that people without COVID-19 symptoms should not be tested — despite the major role that asymptomatic people have been shown to play in the spread of the coronavirus. In response to this move, former National Institutes of Health Director Dr. Harold Varmus co-wrote an op-ed for The New York Times with a blunt message: "It Has Come to This: Ignore the C.D.C.” Dr. Varmus joined Jim Braude to discuss.