The big Apple debate. The company is refusing to comply with a court order to help the FBI get into the phone of one of the San Bernardino shooters. They say the privacy of millions would be on a slippery slope. The government says national security is paramount.

Brian Kelly, former Whitey Bulger prosecutor, debates Kade Crockford (@onekade) of the ACLU Massachusetts.

Kelly thinks that this is "Apple vs. America," and calls Cook's comments "a little overblown." He also thinks that Apple is resisting court order for "marketing purposes."

Crockford disagrees. "Apple simply does not posses any more information," she says. "They've given the government everything that they had." In order to break into the phone, Apple would have to write new code.

Kelly believes that this "relates only to this one phone."