As the pandemic goes from bad to worse, at what point must politicians declare that asking people to take personal responsibility is not enough, and take stronger action to stem the tide? To discuss, Jim Braude was joined by Dr. Vanessa Kerry, director of the Global Public Policy and Social Change program at Harvard Medical School, a physician at Massachusetts General Hospital, and the CEO of Seed Global Health; and Dr. Mark Siedner, an infectious disease clinician and researcher at Massachusetts General Hospital’s Division of Infectious Diseases.