The Trump administration has released its budget proposal, and there are a number of different cuts to education: school programs, literacy programs and career and technical education programs all might lose funding.

When Secretary of Education Betsy DeVos testified in front of the House Appropriations Labor, Health and Human Services, Education, and Related Agencies subcommittee, in addition to answering questions about the cuts, she also had to defend the allocation of federal dollars to discriminatory schools through voucher programs.

Former Secretary of Education Paul Reville came in to BPR to explain how the cuts will affect students, and also to explain the showdown between DeVos and Massachusetts Democrat Katherine Clark about school choice during her testimony.

Paul Reville is the former Secretary of Education and a professor at Harvard University’s Graduate School of Education where he also runs the Education Redesign Lab. To hear his interview in its entirety, click on the audio player above.