May 18, 2010: Paul Levy speaks out

>> Rooney: TONIGHT ON "GREATER

BOSTON."

LAUDED FOR HIS LEADERSHIP.

HOSPITAL CHIEF, PAUL LEVY SPEAKS

OUT ABOUT WHAT HE CALLS THE

WORST MISS TAKE OF HIS LIFE.

WHILE PROSECUTORS SAY ADAM

WHEELER CONNED HIS WAY INTO

HARVARD.

NOW HE FACES JAIL TIME.

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>> Rooney: GOOD EVENING.

BETH ISRAEL DECON ES C.E.O. PAUL

LEVY HAS ADMITTED TO HAVING AN

INAPPROPRIATE RELATIONSHIP WITH

A FEMALE SUBORDINATE.

HE HAS APOLOGIZED AND THE

HOSPITAL'S BOARD OF DIRECTORS

HAS GIVEN HIM A VOTE OF

CONFIDENCE WHILE AT THE SAME

TIME FINING HIM $50,000.

THE BOARD HAS ALSO ASKED THE

ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE TO

LOOK INTO THE MATTER.

AFTER WEEKS OF SILENCE, PAUL

LEVY IS NOW SPEAKING OUT AND HE

JOINS ME, WELCOME, PAUL.

>> THANK YOU.

>> FIRST OF ALL, YOU HAVE

APOLOGIZED.

YOU WERE FINED.

WHAT ARE YOU APOLOGIZING FOR AND

WHAT WAS THE FINE FOR?

>> WELL, I EXERCISED BAD

JUDGMENT IN HIRING A CLOSE

PERSONAL FRIEND AT THE HOSPITAL,

BEING IN A SUPERVISORY

RELATIONSHIP WITH HER FOR A

PORTION OF THE TIME OF THE EIGHT

YEARS THAT SHE WORKED IN THE

HOSPITAL.

I SUPERVISED HER FOR ABOUT TWO

YEARS OR SO.

AND NOT UNDERSTANDING FULLY THE

RAMIFICATIONS OF THAT FOR PEOPLE

WHO WORKED IN THE PLACE.

PEOPLE WHO WOULD FEEL RESENTMENT

OR THAT SHE MIGHT BE GETTING

SPECIAL TREATMENT, OR OTHERWISE

DISTRACTING FOLKS.

AND NOT REALLY UNDERSTANDING

THAT MY PERSONAL LIFE AND MY

PROFESSIONAL LIFE WERE NO LONGER

SEPARATE.

>> Rooney: IF THE BOARD KNEW

ABOUT THIS, AND THEY HAVE

ADMITTED THAT THEY DID FOR QUITE

SOME TIME, WHY DID THEY FINE YOU

NOW?

>> THE ISSUE REALLY CAME UP IN

THE LAST SEVERAL WEEKS AS A

RESULT OF AN ANONYMOUS LETTER

THAT THE BOARD RECEIVED.

I THINK THEY FELT THEY NEEDED TO

LOOK INTO IT.

THEY INTERVIEWED ME.

THEY INTERVIEWED LOTS OF PEOPLE

AROUND THE PLACE, AND IT JUST

BECAME RIPE IN THAT WAY.

I THINK THAT YOU KNOW FOR THE

PREVIOUS EIGHT YEARS, THE BOARD

WAS BUSY WITH OTHER MATTERS.

THE HOSPITAL WAS PRACTICALLY

BANKRUPT WHEN I ARRIVED IN 2002.

THE FOCUS OF ME AND THE BOARD

WAS ON FIXING THE HOSPITAL,

PUTTING IT IN GOOD SHAPE.

AND SO, ALTHOUGH SOME OF THEM

MAY HAVE HAD CONCERNS ABOUT THIS

DURING THE COURSE OF THE EIGHT

YEARS, RELATIVE TO --

>> Rooney: WHICH THEY EXPRESSED

TO YOU.

>> A FEW OF THEM DID, YES.

AND THAT WAS MY OTHER MISTAKE

WAS REALLY NOT TAKING -- GET

BEING -- ACTING ON THAT.

BUT I THINK IT'S FAIR TO SAY

THAT THE BOARD WAS FOCUSED ON

 

SAVING THE HOSPITAL.

>> Rooney: WHICH THEY CREDIT YOU

WITH, YOU HAVE A TREMENDOUS

NUMBER OF SUPPORTERS THERE.

>> I CREDIT THEM ALSO.

THEY WERE ENGAGED.

>> Rooney: THIS ANONYMOUS

LETTER.

THE DETAILS HAVE NOT EMERGED BUT

AS I UNDERSTAND IT NOW, THERE

WERE THREE THINGS THEY ACCUSED

YOU OF IN THE LETTER.

ONE THEY ACCUSED YOU -- SOME OF

IT WAS WHACKY AND STOCHL WAS

SEXIST AND RACIST AND EVERYTHING

ELSE.

SOME OF IT WAS -- YOU KNOW,

ACCURATE.

THEY ACCUSED YOU OF

HAVING -- THAT YOUR

BROTHER-IN-LAW WAS THE COO.

THAT'S INACCURATE.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

>>.

>> Rooney: ACCUSED OF HAVING A

RELATIONSHIP WITH SOMEBODY IN

THE DEVELOPMENT OFFICE AND

CALLED HER GOLDILOCKS.

WHICH YOU NAMED AND THEY ACCUSED

YOU OF HAVING A RELATIONSHIP

WITH THIS WOMAN AND THEY A

PARAGRAPH DEFINING FORNICATION

AND IT WAS A GRAPHIC JUVENILE,

MAYBE INTENTIONALLY SO TO PUT

YOU OFF AND IT CAME FROM THE

OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE

HOSPITAL, WHICH OBVIOUSLY DIDN'T

-- BECAUSE THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN

YOU.

DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHO WROTE

THIS LETTER?

>> I HAVE NO IDEA.

IT WAS A NASTY, RACIST LETTER.

IT WAS A TERRIBLE PIECE OF WORK.

WHAT STARTED TO HAPPEN, THOUGH,

IS THE LETTER -- ORDINARILY,

WOULD YOU JUST IGNORE A LETTER

LIKE THAT, RIGHT?

AN ANONYMOUS LETTER.

BUT IT STARTED GETTING

CIRCULATED AROUND TOWN AMONG THE

MEDIA, AMONG OTHER PEOPLE.

THE BOARD HAD CONCERN THAT THERE

MIGHT BE ELEMENTS OF TRUTH IN

IT.

THEY FELT THEY HAD AN OBLIGATION

TO REVIEW THE MATTER.

>> Rooney: DID THEY LOOK INTO

THE OTHER MATTER -- THE MATTER

REGARDING THE OTHER WOMAN IN THE

DEVELOPMENT OFFICE?

>> YES.

>> Rooney: AND DOFFED?

>> NOTHING.

>> THAT TO WAS NOT AN

INAPPROPRIATE RELATIONSHIP.

>> THAT WAS NOT VALID.

CERTAINLY, I HAD NOT HIRED MY

BROTHER-IN-LAW.

AND SO, THE BOARD ENGAGED

OUTSIDE COUNSEL TO CONDUCT AN

INVESTIGATION.

THEY INTERVIEWED ME.

THEY INTERVIEWED LOTS OF PEOPLE.

I ACTUALLY DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING

TO HIDE IN REVIEW, BECAUSE THEY

ASKED ME ABOUT MY FRIENDSHIP AND

I SAID, WELL, YES, I HIRED A

CLOSE PERSONAL FRIEND, MADE NO

SECRET ABOUT IT BY THE WAY AND

PEOPLE HAVE SEEN US ALL OVER

TOWN AND DEPARTMENT TRY TO HIDE

THAT IN ANY WAY.

AND I SAID TO THE BOARD, I MADE

AN ERROR OF JUDGMENT HERE.

I SHOULD NOT HAVE HIRED HER, AND

I SHOULD HAVE BEEN MORE

COGNIZANT OF THE FACT THAT IT

COULD HAVE DELETERIOUS EFFECT ON

HOW PEOPLE IN THE HOSPITAL

REGARDED ME, REGARDED HER,

REGARDED THEIR OWN PHYSICIAN AND

THE LIKE, AND I SAID THAT WAS A

MISTAKE.

>> Rooney: YOU WERE HER

SUPERVISOR AT M.I.T. WHEN YOU

MET HER.

>> NO, AT M.I.T., SHE WAS A

STUDENT.

>> Rooney: YOU WERE HER THESIS

SUPERVISOR, OR WAS THAT LATER.

>> THAT WAS LATER, I HAD

ACTUALLY LEFT M.I.T. AND I

HELPED SUPERVISE HER THESIS AND

SHE HAD GOTTEN ANOTHER JOB OUT

OF COLLEGE AND WHEN I GOT TO THE

HOSPITAL, I SAID TO HER, WHY

DON'T YOU COME OVER AND JOIN ME

AT THE HOSPITAL.

IT'S GOING TO BE REALLY

INTERESTING.

YOU'RE GOING TO LEARN A LOT.

I THINK YOU'RE REALLY QUALIFIED

FOR THE KIND OF WORK WE NEED,

BECAUSE SHE HAS GOT A REALLY

STRONG --

>> Rooney: SHE IS DESCRIBED AS

BRILL YAPT AND INTELLECTUAL.

>> THREE DEGREES FROM M.I.T.

>> Rooney: STAYING ON THE M.I.T.

TRACK FOR A MOMENT.

YOU WORKED WITH HER THERE AS A

SUPERVISOR.

SHE WAS WORKING ON A HAITI

PROJECT, AND YOU WERE HER --

>> NO, I -- I WAS NOT HER

SUPERVISOR AT M.I.T.

>> Rooney: YOU WERE HER ADVISER.

>> SHY WAS HER ADVISER DURING

THE UNDERGRADUATE YEARS.

>> Rooney: HAD THE RELATIONSHIP

STARTED WHEN YOU WERE AT M.I.T.

>> WE HAVE BEEN FRIENDS FOR OVER

15 YEARS.

WE HAVE BEEN FAMILY FRIENDS FOR

15 YEARS.

>> Rooney: SO NOW SHE IS BACK AT

M.I.T.?

>> CORRECT.

>> Rooney: YOU THIS WEEK

RESIGNED FROM THE AUDIT BOARD AS

THE DIRECT RELATIONSHIP.

>> I REALIZED IN THE LAST

SEVERAL DAYS THERE MIGHT BE

QUESTIONS RAISED ABOUT THAT.

SO I THOUGHT IT WAS PRUDENT TO

RESIGN FROM THE AUDIT COMMITTEE

BECAUSE THE AUDIT COMMITTEE HAS

SPECIAL SUPERVISORY OBLIGATION

AS PART OF THE M.I.T.

>> WE'LL ASK YOU IF YOU FEEL

THIS EPISODE HAS SPILLED INTO

YOUR RELATIONSHIP WITH M.I.T.

NOW?

>> I HOPE NOT.

I'M VERY LOYAL TO M.I.T. AND

THEY HAVE ALWAYS BEEN VERY LOYAL

TO ME AND A STRONG SUPPORTER OF

M.I.T.

>> Rooney: WELL, YOU WENT THERE

AND YOU HAVE BEEN INVOLVED WITH

THEM OF SINCE.

>> THAT'S RIGHT.

>> Rooney: IN TERMS OF THE

FIDUCIARY ISSUES.

THE WOMAN WORKED IN THE HOSPITAL

DOWNTOWN FOR A WHILE AND WENT TO

THE NEEDHAM BRANCH.

>> RIGHT.

>> Rooney: DID YOU ASK THEM TO

MOVE HER THERE?

>> NO, THE PRESIDENT OF THE

NEEDHAM HOSPITAL, JEFF LIEBMAN

ACTUALLY ASKED MERE IF HE COULD

HAVE HER ASSIGNED TO THE NEATHAM

HOSPITAL.

HE WAS AT THE TIME PLANNING A

NEW ADDITION TO THE HOSPITAL, TO

EXPAND IT, AND SHE HAS A GOOD

BACKGROUND IN THESE KINDS OF

PLANNING ISSUES AND OTHER ISSUES

AS WELL.

AND SO, I STOPPED SUPERVISING

HER AT THAT POINT AND BY ALL

ACCOUNTS SHE GOT VERY GOOD

REVIEWS.

>> Rooney: THAT'S TRUE.

SHE LASS GOTTEN VERY GOOD

REVIEWS FOR THE WORK SHE DID

THERE.

WHOSE IDEA WAS IT TO TERMINATE

HER THERE.

>> WELL, WHAT HAPPENED WAS IN

THE FALL, I FINALLY STARTED TO

HAVING CONCERNS.

>> Rooney: THIS PAST FALL?

>> YES.

IN OCTOBER, OR SO.

I STARTED TO GETTING IT.

I STARTED TO FINALLY HAVING

CONCERNS THAT WELL, MAYBE THIS

WASN'T SUCH A GOOD IDEA.

FOR HER TO CONTINUE TO WORK IN

OUR HOSPITAL SYSTEM.

SO, I CALLED HER AND JEFF.

WE GOT ON THE PHONE AT THE SAME

TIME, AND I EXPRESSED MY

CONCERNS, AND SHE AGREED, JEFF

AGREED, AND THEN JEFF SAID THAT

HE HAD BEEN THINKING OF

ELIMINATING THE POSITION ANYWAY,

BECAUSE THE PROJECT ON WHICH SHE

HAD BEEN WORKING, THE ADDITION,

THE EXPANSION, WAS ENDING.

AND I SAID, WELL, THAT SOUNDS

LIKE A GOOD SOLUTION.

>> Rooney: HEE OBVIOUSLY AGREED

TO THAT, TOO.

>> YEAH, SHE TOTALLY CONCURRED.

>> Rooney: THE $30,000

SEVERANCE.

SHE WAS MAKING $100 YOU THIS

THOUSAND.

WAS THAT A NORMAL AMOUNT.

>> WAYS NOT INVOLVED IN

DETERMINING THE SEVERANCE.

WHEN A POSITION IS ELIMINATED

THERE'S A STANDARD PRACTICE FOR

PAYING SEVERANCE.

THERE'S AN OFFSET, SO IF YOU GET

ANOTHER JOB, THE SEARCH RENS PAY

IS REDUCED BY THE NEW SALARY

THAT YOU ARE GETTING.

SHE DIDN'T COLLECTLE FULL

SEVERANCE.

THAT WAS ESSENTIALLY THE --

>> Rooney: THE DETAILS OF THIS

ASIDE, PAUL, AND I KNOW YOU'RE

TRYING TO -- TRYING TO PUT THIS

OUT THERE FOR EVERYBODY TO

ABSORB BECAUSE YOU WANTED TO

GO-DUB WANT IT TO GO AWAY.

CERTAINLY YOUR SUPPORTERS ON THE

BOARD OF DIRECTORS WANT IT TO GO

AWAY.

THE ISSUE IS FOR YOU AND FOR THE

HOSPITAL, CAN THEY JUST IGNORE

IT?

CAN THEY LOOK AT PAUL LEVY EVERY

DAY OF THE WEEK AND SAY, THAT

DOESN'T MATTER ANYMORE HE'S A

GUY WHO HAS RESCUED THE

HOSPITAL.

HE HAS DONE A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT

IN TERMS OF BEING TRANSPARENT

AND WRITING THE BLOG.

OR ARE THEY GOING TO LOOK AT YOU

AND SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, YOU'RE

DAMAGED.

YOU HAVE HURT-I DON'T KNOW IF

YOU CAN BE THE PUBLIC FACE OF

THIS HOSPITAL ANYMORE.

>> WELL, THAT DEPENDS IN GREAT

MEASURE ON HOW THE STAFF REACT.

MORE THAN ANYBODY.

MORE THAN THE BOARD.

MORE THAN THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE

--

 

>> Rooney: OR THE MEDIA.

>> IF THE STAFF DOESN'T FEEL

THEY CAN TRUST ME OVER TIME,

OBVIOUSLY, I CAN'T BE A FACTOR.

>> Rooney: WHAT WILL BE THE

MEASURE OF THAT?

>> WHAT'S NOW WHAT'S HAPPENING

IS I HAVE GOTTEN TREMENDOUS

LETTERS OF SUPPORT BY HUNDREDS

OF STAFF MEMBERS WHO BASICALLY

HAVE SAID YOU MADE A MISTAKE.

WE LIKE YOU WHAT DO.

PLEASE KEEP DOING IT.

THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE ON THE

STAFF WHO ARE ANGRY AND UPSET

AND OBVIOUSLY WROTE WRITE ME A

LETTER TO THAT EFFECT AND WHAT I

HAVE BEEN SAYING TO THEM WHEN I

MEET WITH THEM PERSONALLY OR

COLLECTIVELY, IS GIVE ME A

CHANCE.

I'LL TRY TO MAKE IT UP TO YOU.

BY WORD AND BY DEED.

THAT THE HOSPITAL STILL STANDS

FOR WONDERFUL THINGS IN THE

COMMUNITY, THE WAY WE TREAT

PATIENTS AND THE LIKE.

AND I'M HOPING OVER TIME THAT

PEOPLE CAN ACCEPT THAT, AND I

THINK THAT PEOPLE TEND TO BE

FORGIVING, AND UNDERSTANDING.

EVERYBODY HAS MADE MISTAKES.

AND I CERTAINLY DID IN THIS

CASE.

IT WAS HOWEVER YOU CHARACTERIZE

THE MISTAKE OR BELIEVE WHAT IT

IS, I HOPE THAT IT'S MEASURED

AGAINST THE GOOD I HAVE DONE FOR

THE ORGANIZATION, AND THE

AFFECTION THAT I HAVE FOR THE

PEOPLE WHO WORK THERE, WHETHER

THEY BE THE DOCTORS AND NURSES

AND HOUSEKEEPERS AND THE LIKE.

I THINK PEOPLE KNOW THAT.

THEY'LL HAVE TO TELL ME OVER

TIME WHETHER I'M SUCCEEDING OR

NOT.

>> Rooney: YOU HAVE BEEN THERE A

WHILE NOW.

>> EIGHT YEARS.

>> Rooney: EIGHT YEARS.

>> MORE.

>> Rooney: IT'S A GREAT JOB AND

PAYS GOOD MONEY.

>> YES.

LESS GOOD, BUT --

>> Rooney: WELL, YOU HAVE HAD

OTHER HIGH PROFILE JOBS AND BEEN

AROUND BOSTON, URA AMONG THEM.

WHY NOT TAKE YOURSELF OUT OF

THIS?

WHY NOT EXTRICATE YOURSELF AND

MAKE IT EASIER FOR THE HOSPITAL

AND MAKE IT EASIER ON YOURSELF.

GO INTO SOMETHING ELSE.

>> IT WOULD ACTUALLY NOT MAKE IT

EASIER FOR THE HOSPITAL RIGHT

NOW.

I'M NOT MINIMIZING THE

IMPORTANCE OF THIS ISSUE.

BUT THE HOSPITAL HAS SOME VERY

IMPORTANT THINGS TO DO, AND

THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE

HOSPITAL WHO THINK THAT I NEED

TO PLAY AN IMPORTANT ROLE THERE.

THAT IT WOULD ACTUALLY BE MORE

DISRUPTIVE AT THIS POINT TO GO

THROUGH A SEARCH PROCESS FOR A

NEW C.E.O. AND ALL.

CERTAINLY, THAT'S WHAT THE BOARD

HAS SAID TO ME.

I TRUST THEIR JUDGMENT ON THAT.

I ALSO FEEL THAT WAY MYSELF.

IF I DIDN'T FEEL THAT WAY, I --

I WOULDN'T BE HAVING THIS

INTERVIEW WITH YOU.

WE WOULD BE TALKING ABOUT THE

NEXT JOB.

BUT I HAVE NOT REALLY CONSIDERED

RESIGNING BECAUSE I THINK THAT

THERE'S GOOD WORK TO BE DONE,

AND I THINK THAT --

>> Rooney: DIDN'T FLASH THROUGH

YOUR MIND?

>> NO, IT ACTUALLY DID NOT.

>> Rooney: DID YOU ASK THE BOARD

IF THEY WANTED YOU TO RESIGN?

>> NO, I DIDN'T INFLUENCE THE

BOARD AT ALL DURING THEIR

REVIEW.

AND DIDN'T SEEM TO ME

APPROPRIATE EVEN TO SHARE HOW I

MIGHT BE FEELING AT THAT POINT.

SO, THEY HAD THEIR MEETS.

AND THEY MADE VERY CLEAR IN THAT

SAME VOTE WHERE THEY PENALIZED

ME THAT THEY REALLY WANTED ME TO

STAY, THAT THEY THOUGHT I COULD

BRING VALUE TO THE ORGANIZATION

AND THEY SAID EXPLICITLY, WE

THINK IT'S BETTER FOR YOU TO

STAY.

AND IN ESSENCE, THEY SAID, WE

HOPE YOU WON'T LEAVE.

SO, I TRUST THEIR JUDGMENT.

THEY'RE THE FIDUCIARIES FOR THE

ORGANIZATION.

THEY ARE THE REPRESENTATIVES OF

THE COMMUNITY WHO DONATE THEIR

TIME AND EFFORT TO THE GOOD OF

THE HOSPITAL.

AND I'M TRUFTDING THEIR

JUDGMENT.

-- I'M TRUSTING THEIR JUDGMENT.

I ALSO TRUST IN THE GOOD FAITH

AND KINDLINESS OF THE PEOPLE WHO

WORK IN THE HOSPITAL.

I THINK MOST OF THEM FEEL THAT I

HAVE TREATED THEM WELL, AND

RESPECTFULLY AND HAVE ARE HELPED

IMPROVE THE PLACE, WORKING WITH

THEM.

AND I'M HOPING THAT OVER TIME,

THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE ARE ANGRY

AND RAE SENTFUL WILL SAY, OKAY,

HE MADE A MISTAKE.

HE OWNED UP TO IT.

LET'S GO ON.

>> Rooney: WHAT ABOUT THE

ATTORNEY GENERAL REVIEW.

YOU ARE WAITING FOR THAT TO COME

IN, THE FINAL PIECE OF THIS.

>> I THINK THAT'S A VERY GOOD

THING THAT THE BOARD ASKED FOR.

WHAT THE BOARD ASKED THE A.G. TO

DO WAS TO REVIEW THEIR OWN

PROCESS OF CONDUCTING THE REVIEW

OF ME.

THE BOARD'S VERY SERIOUS ABOUT

ITS FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBILITIES.

THIS WAS AN UNUSUAL KIND OF

CIRCUMSTANCE.

THE SPECIFIC LETTER TO THE A.G.

SAID PLEASE REVIEW WHAT WE DID,

TOP TO BOTTOM.

TELL FUSS YOU THINK WE HANDLED

IT RIGHT.

I THINK THAT THAT'S IMPORTANT.

THAT REVIEW IS IMPORTANT.

>> Rooney: WHEN WILL THAT COME

IN, DO YOU THINK?

>> I DON'T KNOW.

THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE BOARD'S

OWN CREDIBILITY IN THE FUFT FOR

THE A.G. TO SAY YOU DID IT RIGHT

OR ALMOST DID IT RIGHT.

FIX THIS.

I'M SURE THE BOARD WILL FOLLOW

HER GUIDANCE.

>> DO YOU FEEL THIS HAS BEEN A

CRUSADE BY ANY GROUP, PERHAPS A

UNION GROUP?

>> I'M REALLY NOT PREPARED TO

TALK ABOUT THAT AT ALL.

I THINK THAT THE ISSUE RIGHT NOW

IS MY ACTIONS, NOT HOW OTHER

PEOPLE AROUND TOWN OR AROUND THE

COUNTRY MIGHT FEEL ABOUT IT, OR

TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT.

>> WHY HAVE YOU BEEN RELUCTANT

TO JUST OUT AND OUT CHARACTERIZE

YOUR RELATIONSHIP WITH THE WOMAN

AS ROMANTIC.

IS THERE A REASON WHY NOT?

>> I DON'T THINK THE DETAILS OF

A PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP MATTER

IN GENERAL, AND I DON'T THINK

THEY MATTER IN THIS CASE.

THE MISTAKE THAT I MADE WAS

HIRING A GOOD PERSONAL FRIEND TO

A JOB SUPERVISING HER,

MAINTAINING HER POSITION OR

RETAINING HER IN THE HOSPITAL.

THAT'S THE MISTAKE.

>> Rooney: WELL, WE HAVE HEARD

THAT BEFORE FROM POLITICIANS

INCLUDING JOHN EDWARDS.

IT ISN'T THAT WE NEED TO KNOW

THE PRURIENT DETAILS.

THE MORE TRANSPARENT YOU ARE,

THE MORE OPEN YOU ARE, THAT'S

WHAT IT WAS.

>> WELL, I ACTUALLIES DID AGREE

WITH YOU ON THAT.

I DON'T THINK IT'S RELEVANT.

PEOPLE HAVE DRAWN THEIR

CONCLUSIONS ABOUT WHAT THEY

THINK THE RELATIONSHIP IS, OR

ISN'T.

I JUST DON'T THINK THAT IS

ANYBODY'S BUSINESS.

AND I'M NOT GOING TO COMMENT ON

THAT.

>> Rooney: ALL RIGHT.

PAUL LEVY, THANK YOU FOR COMING

HERE TODAY.

APPRECIATE IT.

>> THANK YOU.

>> Rooney: ALL RIGHT.

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