CHRISTY MIHOS IS HERE.
CHRISTY MIHOS IS SEEKING THE
REPUBLICAN NOMINATION FOR
GOVERNOR.
HIS POPULIST ANTI-GOVERNMENT
MESSAGE COULDN'T BE TIMELYIER
BUT MIHOS'S CAMPAIGN HAS BEEN
DOGGED BY CONTROVERSY.
IT'S NOT CLEAR HOW SERIOUS A
CHALLENGE HE POSES TO CHARLIE
BAKER OR DEVAL PATRICK.
CHRISTY MIHOS IS HERE.
WELCOME.
>> THANK YOU.
>> Reporter: LET'S GET INTO A
FEW LIABILITIES THAT HAVE
POPPED UP WITH YOUR CAMPAIGN
RECENTLY INCLUDING A LOT OF
PEOPLE COMING AFTER YOU FOR
FINANCIAL PROBLEMS, FOR UNPAID
BILLS AND DEBTS AND SO FORTH.
THERE ARE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE
OUTSTANDING DEBTS ABOUT FOUR
THAT TOTAL DEPENDING ON THE
NUMBERS HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS
OF DOLLARS.
>> NOT TRUE.
>> Reporter: WHY IS THAT NOT
TRUE?
WE CHECKED WITH SOME PEOPLE
TODAY WHO SAID THERE ARE STILL
DEBTS OUTSTANDING THAT YOU
HAVEN'T PAID.
>> FOR CAMPAIGN.
>> Reporter: RIGHT.
>> WE MAKE THESE FILINGS ON A
REGULAR BASIS WITH THE OFFICE
OF CAMPAIGN AND POLITICAL
FINANCE.
WE HAVE PROVIDED EVERYBODY
THAT'S WRITTEN ON THIS, THE
GLOBE, THE HERALD, YOU NAME IT,
WITH CANCELED CHECKS, BANK
WIRES, 1099s, LETTERS OF
RESIGNATION, AND WHATEVER ELSE
WE'VE HAD TO GIVE THEM.
HAVE THEM SIT AND TALK TO
ATTORNEYS UNTIL THEY... AS
LONG AS THEY WANT.
>> Reporter: HOW DID IT GET TO
THAT POINT WHERE TEN PEOPLE IN
A COUPLE YEAR'S SPAN ARE GOING
AFTER YOU AND MAKING IT VERY
PUBLIC THE MONEY THEY'RE OWED
BECAUSE PEOPLE WILL LOOK AT
THAT AND THINK....
>> ARE WE TALKING BUSINESS OR
CAMPAIGN.
>> Reporter: A COMBINATION OF
CAMPAIGN AND BUSINESS.
>> LET'S TALK THEN BUSINESS
FIRST, ALL RIGHT?
OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS,
WE'VE LEFT CERTAIN OIL
COMPANIES, ONE WAS CITGO
BECAUSE OF CHAVEZ WHO IS A
DICTATOR DOWN THERE.
WE OPERATE IN A VERY
CONSERVATIVE AREA.
A LOT OF VETERANS.
A LOT OF PEOPLE SERVING RIGHT
NOW.
A LOT OF ELDERLY WHO DON'T
LIKE A COMMUNIST DICTATOR
RUNNING AN OIL COMPANY THAT WE
HAD SIGNS ON.
WE HAD AN ISSUE THERE THAT WE
HAD TO REMOVE THEM.
THAT TAKES TIME.
THAT TOOK A LOT OF MONEY AND
ALL.
BUT WHEN YOU CAN'T SETTLE
THESE THINGS, YOU GO TO COURT.
NOW ON EVERY SINGLE ONE OF
THESE FOUR ISSUES OVER THE
LAST FIVE YEARS THEY'VE BEEN
SETTLED.
IT'S DONE.
BUT THAT'S VERY DIFFERENT THAN
THE CAMPAIGN.
THE CAMPAIGN ISSUES WERE ONE
AT WHICH, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST
NOT TO BE EXTORTED.
I'M JUST NOT GOING TO SAY, PAY
ME THIS OR I'LL GO TO THE
PRESS.
IF YOU WANT TO GO TO THE PRESS,
GO TO THE PRESS.
HAVE AT IT.
MAKE YOUR DAY AND ALL.
I'M JUST NOT HARD-WIRED THE
WAY THAT WE'RE JUST GOING TO
PAY PEOPLE WHATEVER THEY THINK
THEY WANT SO THAT THEY WON'T
GO TO THE PRESS.
YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT A WHOLE
NEW DIFFERENT CREW IN THERE
RIGHT NOW.
I'M A PRETTY PETHY PERSON,
ALWAYS SMILING.
THE FOLKS THAT WERE THERE WERE
NEGATIVE.
THEY WERE ON OTHER CAMPAIGNS.
THEY COULDN'T DIVORCE
THEMSELVES FROM OTHER
CAMPAIGNS.
NOW THEY'RE GONE.
THINGS ARE WONDERFUL.
>> Reporter: AS OF FRIDAY YOU
HAD $4,000, ABOUT $4,000 IN
YOUR CAMPAIGN ACCOUNT.
CHARLIE BAKER HAS $1.8
MILLION.
OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, SCOTT
BROWN, JOHN McCAIN ARE TWO
EXAMPLES OF PEOPLE WHO HAD
LITTLE MONEY AND CAME BACK.
$4,000.
HOW ARE UG GOING TO BE A
VIABLE CANDIDATE AGAINST
CHARLIE BAKER.
>> I PUT IN HUNDREDS OF
THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS THUS FAR.
>> Reporter: FROM YOUR
PERSONAL....
>> SURE.
60 DAYS OUT, SCOTT BROWN WAS
BASICALLY DOWN 30 POINTS.
PEOPLE WERE LAUGHING AT HIM.
HE HAD NO MONEY AT ALL.
WE BELIEVE WE'RE GOING TO GET
TO THE CONVENTION.
WE'RE GOING TO GET OUR 15%.
AND THEN EVERYTHING CHANGES.
YOU KNOW, DAY IN AND DAY OUT
TO BE HAMMERED BY THE BOSTON
GLOBE AND DON'T FORGET THE
GLOBE WAS AFTER ME BACK WHEN
WE WERE ON THE TURNPIKE BOARD
TO RESIGN.
GET RID OF THIS GUY.
THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE
TALKING ABOUT.
WE WENT TO THE SUPREME
JUDICIAL COURT AND WE WON AT
THE FEDERAL COURT AND THE
COURT OF APPEALS.
YOU CAN'T TAKE THIS EACH AND
EVERYDAY AND SAY, GEE, I GUESS
I BETTER LEAVE.
I'M HARD-WIRED THAT WAY.
>> Reporter: I WANT TO ASK YOU
BEFORE YOU WE MOVE TO TO THE
MAIN ISSUES, YOUR CAMPAIGN
MANAGER UNDER SWORN AFFIDAVIT
YOU SAID HE WASN'T THE
CAMPAIGN MANAGER.
WE DID SEE THE YOU-TUBE WHERE
YOU TALK ABOUT HIM BEING THE
CAMPAIGN MANAGER HE'S ONE OF
THE PEOPLE GOING AFTER YOU
WITH MONEY.
WAS HE OR WASN'T YOU A
CAMPAIGN MANAGER?
>> HE MADE THE ALLEGATION AS
OF MAY 1 HE CAME ON THE
CAMPAIGN AS THE CAMPAIGN
MANAGER.
THAT'S NOT TRUE.
HE CAME ON JULY 1 WHEN THE
CAMPAIGN CAME INTO LEGAL BEING
AND HE WAS THE DIRECTOR OF
FIELD OPERATIONS TO GET JUST
DELEGATES.
HE BECAME THE CAMPAIGN MANAGER
IN OCTOBER.
WE SENT THAT OVER TO THE COURT
TODAY TO ANSWER HIS QUESTIONS
AND ALL.
BELIEVE ME, THIS ISN'T OVER.
IT JUST CONTINUES.
YOU JUST FIGHT THESE THINGS
ONE DAY AT A TIME.
>> Reporter: ON THE POINT OF
FIGHTING YOU AND TIM CAHILL
ARE BOTH REALLY GOING AFTER
THE TEA PARTY, THE SENSIBILITY,
THAT CONSTITUENCY.
HOW DO YOU SEE THIS GOING
FORWARD?
WHAT IMPACT IS HE GOING TO
HAVE ON YOUR CAMPAIGN WHEN
YOU'RE TARGETING THAT SAME
GROUP OF PEOPLE?
>> I THINK THAT TIM IS GOING
TO GO THE WAY I WENT AS AN
INDEPENDENT CANDIDATE BACK IN
2006.
HE WAS AT THE EXACT SAME
NUMBER I WAS IN MARCH.
HE'LL TAKE HIS LUMPS TOO.
THE CITIZEN PATRIOT GROUPS,
THERE'S ONLY 11% OF US
REGISTERED REPUBLICANS IN THE
COMMONWEALTH.
WE BETTER KNOW HOW TO MAKE
THESE PEOPLE FEEL VERY, VERY
HAPPY ABOUT BEING... VOTING
REPUBLICAN, BEING REPUBLICAN.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE ONLY 11%.
REGISTERED VOTERS.
I DO VERY WELL WHEN I GO
BEFORE ANY OF THE CITIZEN
PATRIOT GROUPS.
BUT WE DON'T CHANGE OUR
MESSAGE GOING TO A CITIZEN
PATRIOT GROUP....
>> Reporter: IS THAT YOUR...
HONESTLY I HADN'T SEEN THAT
FRAS.
DID YOU COIN THAT?
IS THAT YOURS.
>> I'VE BEEN USING IT FOR A
WHILE NOW.
THAT'S WHAT I THINK THEY ARE.
THEY'RE CITIZENS AND PATRIOTS.
INSTEAD OF CALLING THEM, YOU
KNOW, THE TEA-MEMBERS OR
LIBERTY PARTY OR 9-12 OR
WHATEVER.
THEY'RE CITIZEN PATRIOTS.
THESE PEOPLE ARE HUNGRY FOR
ANOTHER WIN.
THEY'RE THE ONES THAT PUT
SCOTT BROWN OVER THE TOP.
>> Reporter: DOES THAT MEAN
YOU'RE GOING TO SLIDE INTO HIS
WAKE THEN?
THAT THIS IS THE MODEL YOU'RE
LOOKING AT?
DON'T YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT HIS
MODEL WHEN YOU'RE IN THE
SUCCESSIVE CAMPAIGN?
>> WELL I MEAN I'M NOT GOING
TO CHANGE MY ISSUES.
MY ISSUES ARE POPULIST ISSUES.
THEY ALWAYS HAVE BEEN.
THEY ALWAYS WILL BE.
THE ANTI-BIG BUSINESS, BIG
LABOR, BIG GOVERNMENT, BIG
MEDIA.
AT 60 YEARS OLD YOU JUST DON'T
CHANGE YOUR STRIPES.
WE FEEL VERY COMFORTABLE THAT
WE CAN SPEAK WELL ON THE
ISSUES AT ANY TIME WITH ANY
GROUP, WHETHER THEY'RE
REPUBLICAN, TOWN COMMITTEE OR
CITY COMMITTEE FOLKS OR
CITIZEN PATRIOT GROUPS.
>> Reporter: WHAT DO YOU NOW
WITH UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE
WHERE IT'S MOVING FORWARD?
>> I'VE ALWAYS SAID THAT
ROMNEY CARE AND CHARLIE CARE
HAS BROUGHT US OBAMA CARE.
WHAT DO YOU EXPECT THE
GOVERNMENT TO DO WHEN PEOPLE
ARE FACED WITH DOUBLE-DIGIT
INCREASES EACH AND EVERY YEAR
FROM THE HMOs AND THE INSURERS
AND ALL?
IT'S BANKRUPTING SMALL
BUSINESS.
IT'S EVISCERATED THE MIDDLE
CLASS.
THAT'S WHAT THE GOVERNMENT
DOES.
I JUST DON'T THINK THAT THEY
DID IT THE RIGHT WAY.
I DON'T THINK MITT ROMNEY DID
IT THE RIGHT WAY WHEN HE
WANTED TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT
AND HE LEFT US WITH HEALTH
CARE FOR ALL.
THE MANDATES ARE WRONG.
WHEN YOU START AND THEY TELL
YOU WE'RE GOING TO TAKE AND
NOT CONSIDER EVEN CONSIDER
TORT REFORM OR MALPRACTICE
REFORM AND ALL, THAT'S A HUGE
PART OF IT RIGHT THERE.
THEY THROW THE MANDATES AT
YOU.
THEY DON'T ALLOW SMALL
BUSINESS TO BAND TOGETHER TO
LESSEN THEIR COSTS AND ALL.
THESE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS
THAT HAVE TO BE TAKEN RIGHT UP
FRONT.
>> Reporter: WE JUST HAVE A
COUPLE OF SECONDS LEFT.
DICK MORRIS, EMILY CHIDED YOU
FOR BRINGING HIM ON.
THEN HE DISAPPEARED FROM YOUR
CAMPAIGN.
WHAT HAPPENED?
>> HE DIDN'T DISAPPEAR.
IN JANUARY, FEBRUARY AND MARCH,
HE HAD SOMETHING VERY
DIFFERENT.
HE TAKES CRUISES WITH WEALTHY
FOLKS WITH THE REPUBLICANS AND
ALL.
IMMEDIATE TERRAIN AND,
CARIBBEAN AND BAHAMAS.
HE LEFT US WITH A CAMPAIGN
PLAN TO GET OUR 15%, GET ON
THE BALLOT AND THEN HE'LL COME
BACK.
>> Reporter: ALWAYS FUN TO
HAVE YOU HERE.
GOOD LUCK.
>> THANK YOU.