June 8, 2010: Tim Cahill

>> Rooney: IT IS A RACE

THAT HAS BEEN ROWDY,

CONTENTIOUS, AND

CONTROVERSIAL.

AND SOME SAY THE GLOVES

HAVE YET TO COME OFF.

IN THE MASSACHUSETTS

CAMPAIGN FOR GOVERNOR.

TONIGHT WE CONTINUE OUR

2010 MASS DECISION SERIES

WITH THE ONLY INDEPENDENT

GUBERNATORIAL CANDIDATE,

STATE TREASURER, TIM

CAHILL.

>> THANKS FOR HAVING ME

ON.

THE GLOVES ARE OFF.

>> Rooney: THE GLOVES

ARE OFF.

THEY'RE ASKING THE BIG

QUESTION: ARE YOU STILL

VIABLE.

I READ INTO THAT THEY WANT

YOU TO BE VIABLE?

>> IT'S HARD TO SAY WHAT

THE GLOBE REALLY WANTS.

IT WAS -- I GUESS IT WAS A

PRETTY FAIR ARTICLE, AND

THEY WANTED TO FOLLOW ME

AROUND.

I THINK PEOPLE ARE TESTING

AND LOOKING TO SEE HOW

I'VE SORT OF REBOUNDED

FROM THE NEGATIVE ADS.

>> Rooney: THEY'RE

ASKING POINT-BLANK, THE

IMPACT OF THE GOVERNOR

ASSOCIATION ADVERTISING --

CLEARLY YOU'VE TAKEN A HIT

FROM THOSE.

IT HAS GOT TO BE PAINFUL

FOR YOU.

YOU LOOK AT THOSE NUMBERS

AND SAY, WOW, CAN I REGAIN

THAT MUCH TRACTION AND GO

BEYOND?

>> I THINK I CAN.

BECAUSE THE ONLY THING

DIFFERENT ABOUT ME BEFORE

MAY AND AFTER MAY IS THOSE

REPUBLICAN ATTACK ADS, AND

NONE OF IT WAS TRUE.

I THINK PEOPLE WILL SEE

THROUGH IT.

WE HAVE TO DO OUR PART TO

MAKE SURE PEOPLE REALIZE

WHAT THE FISCAL

RESPONSIBILITY IS, AS

OPPOSED TO WHAT THEY SAID.

>> Rooney: GOVERNOR

DEVAL PATRICK SPEAKING AT

THE STATE DEMOCRATIC

CONVENTION IN WORCESTER

SAID THAT YOU AND THE

REPUBLICAN GUBERNATORIAL

CANDIDATE ARE BASING YOUR

COMPAIGNS ON ESSENTIALLY

THE HOPE THAT

MASSACHUSETTS FAILS SO

THAT YOU CAN -- SO THAT

THE REST OF US WILL BUY

INTO THE SAME OLD, SAME

OLD, ABOUT LOOK AT THE BIG

FAILURE, AND EVERYTHING IS

A DISASTER.

>> WELL, MY CAMPAIGN IS

DIFFERENT IN A SENSE THAT

WE'RE NOT GOING BACK TO

ANYTHING.

BECAUSE ELECTING AN

INDEPENDENT WILL BE NEW,

AND IT WILL BE DIFFERENT,

AND WE'LL BREAK UP THE

STATUS QUO BETWEEN THE TWO

PARTIES.

IN SOME WAYS, YEAH, WE

NEED TO DO A BETTER JOB.

WHAT THE GOVERNOR IS DOING

HASN'T REALLY WORKED.

WE'RE STILL SERIOUS

UNEMPLOYMENT, AND THERE IS

NO REAL MOVEMENT GOING

THROUGH, EXCEPT IN TERMS

OF SAVING PRIVATE JOBS.

THAT HAS TO CHANGE IF

WE'RE GOING TO REBUILD

MASSACHUSETTS AND BE ABLE

TO INVEST THE MONEY

BECAUSE WE CAN'T INVEST

WHAT WE DON'T HAVE.

>> Rooney: THE STATE HAS

FACED INCREDIBLY TOUGH

ECONOMIC TIMES.

THERE HAS BEEN SOME GOOD

NEWS RECENTLY, BUT

UNEMPLOYMENT IS STILL

DISASTEROUSLY HIGH.

THE GOVERNOR HAS SAID,

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO

TAKE ANOTHER HIT IN THE

BUDGET COME THIS FISCAL

YEAR.

HERE IS DESPERATE TO GET

THE $680 MILLION OF THE

F-MAP FUNDS, WHICH ARE THE

FEDERAL HEALTH CARE AND

THAT KIND OF MONEY.

WHAT WOULD YOU DO, IF YOU

WERE THE SITTING GOVERNOR

RIGHT NOW, AND THAT MONEY

WAS TEETERING AND

TOTTERING ON A LINE?

WHAT WOULD YOU DO TO GET

IT?

>> I WOULDN'T HAVE BUILT

MY BUDGET ON THAT MONEY.

I THINK THAT HAS BEEN PART

OF THE PROBLEM ON THE

GOVERNOR FOR THE PAST

COUPLE OF YEARS.

I'M NOT FAULTING HIM, BUT

IT HAS BEEN BECAUSE OF THE

RECESSION.

IT IS MORE ABOUT HOPE THAN

FACING THE FISCAL

REALITIES.

>> Rooney: EVERY STATE,

ALL 50 STATES, BUDGETED

FOR THAT MONEY.

>> EVERYONE MADE A

MISTAKE.

YOU SHOULDN'T COUNT ON THE

FEDERAL GOVERNMENT BAILING

YOU OUT CONSTANTLY.

I SAID THAT A WHILE AGO

ABOUT THIS HEALTH CARE

CRISIS THAT WE'RE IN.

WE'VE BEEN DEPENDING ON

THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO

BAIL US OUT, AND NOW IT

MAY BE TRUE THAT THEY'RE

NOT GOING TO BAIL US OUT.

SO WHAT ARE WE GOING TO

DO?

WE HAVE TO PUT OUR OWN

HOUSE IN ORDER, AND MAKE

SURE WE LIVE IN OUR

BUDGET, AND ONLY COMMIT TO

THINGS WE ONLY CAN AFFORD

TO PAY FOR.

>> Rooney: ON THE SAME

HAND, YOU'RE LOOKING FOR

REPEAL OF SOME OF THE NEW

TAXES, THE STATE SALES

TAX, MAYBE THE ALCOHOL

TAX.

A ROLL BACK OF THE STATE

INCOME TAX, BACK TO WHAT

WAS PROMISED A FEW YEARS

AGO.

YOU CAN'T HAVE IT ALL.

YOU CAN'T HAVE ALL OF

THOSE GIVE-BACKS AND NOT

COUNT THE FEDERAL MONEY

AND BALANCE THE BUDGET.

>> THE GOAL IS SO PEOPLE

CAN KEEP THEIR OWN MONEY

AND REINVEST IT AND GROW

JOBS.

WE CAN'T NICKEL AND DIME

PEOPLE WITH LITTLE TAXES

HERE AND THERE.

WHEN AT THE END OF THE

DAY, THE ONLY THING THAT

WILL MATTER FOR OUR STATE

REVENUE IS PEOPLE ARE

WORKING AGAIN.

THAT 5% ADDITIONAL

UNEMPLOYMENT HAS LED TO

$3 BILLION LESS IN

REVENUE.

THE ONLY WAY TO CHANGE IT

IS PUT PEOPLE BACK TO

WORK.

SO I FEEL THE WAY TO DO

THAT IS LOWER THE COST TO

BUSINESSES.

A BIGGER PIE WILL GENERATE

MORE REVENUE AT THE END.

A SMALLER PIE BEING PICKED

AT, AND GOVERNMENT PICKING

AT YOU --

>> Rooney: IT SOUNDS

LIKE TRICKLE DOWN --

>> A LITTLE.

BUT IT IS MORE TRICKLE UP.

WE'RE NOT TRYING TO HELP

OUT THE BIG GUYS.

>> Rooney: YOU BELIEVE

ROLLING OUT THE STATE

INCOME TAX CAN CREATE MORE

JOBS, BUT IF I HAVE MORE

INCOME, I'LL HIRE MORE

PEOPLE.

YOU BELIEVE THAT?

>> YES.

BECAUSE MOST OF THOSE JOBS

ARE SMALL BUSINESSES.

THEY PAY ACCORDING TO

INCOME TAX RATES, AS

OPPOSED TO CORPORATE TACKS

RATES, BUT IT GOES BOTH

WAYS.

90% OF THE JOBS ARE

CREATED BY SMALL

BUSINESSES.

THEY CAN USE THAT

MONEY-WISELY, THE MONEY WE

DON'T TAKE FROM THAT, AND

REINVEST THEM.

USUALLY THE FIRST THING

YOU DO IS GO OUT AND HIRE

PEOPLE.

LABOR IS WHAT MAKES THE

WORLD GO AROUND AND MAKES

BUSINESS SUCCESSFUL.

AND THEY CAN REINVEST AND

BUY EQUIPMENT BECAUSE THE

SALES TAX WON'T BE AS

HIGH.

AND PUT TO WORK THE MONEY,

RATHER THAN PUTTING IT OFF

AND WAITING FOR THE TAXES

TO CHANGE DOWN THE ROAD.

>> Rooney: YOU USED TO

BE A DEMOCRAT --

>> I WAS.

>> Rooney: AND YOU'VE

TAKEN A CONSERVATIVE STAND

ON TAXES, IMMIGRATION.

THIS IS NOT THAT

CONSERVATIVE A STATE.

WE'VE SEEN THE ELECTION OF

SCOTT BROWN TO SENATOR.

BUT FOR THE MOST PART,

IT'S A DEMOCRATIC STATE.

HOW IS THAT GOING TO BE IF

YOU --

>> YOU SAY -- A LOT OF

PEOPLE HAVE DEFINED IT AS

CONSERVATIVE.

I SAY IT IS INDEPENDENT.

I SAY IT IS DIFFERENT FROM

THE STATUS QUO.

>> Rooney: IT IS MORE

ALIGNED WITH CHARLIE

BAKER'S POSITIONS.

>> I THINK THEY'RE MORE

INDEPENDENTLY-MINDED

DECISIONS, AND HOW PEOPLE

REFER TO THEM ONE WAY OR

THE OTHER.

TO ME IS LESS IMPORTANT

THAT I'M WILLING TO STAND

YOU AND CALL IT THE WAY I

SEE IT.

DO WHAT I THINK IS RIGHT

TO GROW JOBS.

DO WHAT I THINK IS RIGHT

TO SECURE OUR BORDERS, AND

MAKE SURE LEGAL CITIZENS

BENEFIT.

SOME STANCES THAT ARE

SOMEWHAT CONTROVERSIAL,

BUT ARE THE RIGHT STANCES

AT THIS TIME.

>> Rooney: DID YOU

REGRET THE COMMENTS YOU

MADE ABOUT GOVERNOR DEVAL

PATRICK MEETING WITH THE

MUSLIM COMMUNITY.

>> NO.

BECAUSE I DIDN'T CRITICIZE

HIM FOR MEETING WITH THEM.

I CRITICIZED HIM FROM WHAT

HE SAID COMING OUT OF THAT

MEETING.

YOU SHOULD, AS GOVERNOR,

MEET WITH EVERYBODY.

BUT THE STATEMENTS YOU

MAKE CARRY CONSEQUENCES.

>> Rooney: WHAT IN

PARTICULAR?

>> HE SHOULDN'T HAVE

RESPONDED TO THE TERRORIST

THREAT BY SAYING THAT

POLICE OFFICERS SHOULD DO

CULTURAL SENSITIVITY

TRAINING.

THAT IS NOT THE MOST

IMPORTANT THING WE HAVE TO

DO --

>> Rooney: HE WAS

MEETING WITH THAT GROUP

BECAUSE A COUPLE OF PEOPLE

IN THE COMMUNITY HAD BEEN

TARGETED.

AND THE GROUP DIDN'T FEEL

LIKE THE WHOLE COMMUNITY

SHOULDN'T BE TARNISHED.

>> I AGREE THAT THE WHOLE

COMMUNITY SHOULDN'T BE

TARGETED.

BUT LET'S FACE IT, THERE

IS A FOCUS ON THE MUSLIM

COMMUNITY AND THE

EXTREMISM WITHIN THE

COMMUNITY.

THAT HAS TO BE ROOTED OUT.

I FEEL IT CAN BE BEST

ROOTED OUT BY MUSLIMS

THEMSELVES, IF THEY

COOPERATE WITH POLICE AND

WITH THE GOVERNOR.

THAT REALLY WAS MY POINT.

>> Rooney: WOULD YOU GO

SO FAR AS TO ALLOW POLICE

TO DO A STOP CHECK AND SEE

IF PEOPLE ARE LEGALLY

REGISTERED?

>> NO, I WOULDN'T.

BUT IF THEY'RE DOING

ILLEGAL ACTIVITY OR

SUSPICIOUS, I THINK THAT

SHOULD BE PART OF THE

PROCESS.

BECAUSE IN THE CASE OF THE

TWO PAKISTANI FOLKS WHO

WERE AT LEAST ALLEGED TO

BE CONNECTED --

>> Rooney: THEY DON'T

REALLY KNOW.

BUT THEY WERE ILLEGALLY.

>> THEY WERE ILLEGAL.

WHAT I FEEL WE HAVE TO DO

IS SUPPORT OUR POLICE

OFFICERS, SUPPORT PUBLIC

SAFETY SO WE CAN FEEL

SAFE.

THE SAME THING IN ROXBURY.

WHERE THERE ARE MURDERS

EVERY DAY OF YOUNG

CHILDREN, WHICH IS A SAD

SITUATION.

WE HAVE TO DO EVERYTHING

WE CAN TO SUPPORT OUR

POLICE OFFICERS.

I UNDERSTAND THAT

SOMETIMES SENSITIVITY IS

IMPORTANT, BUT I THINK

BEING TOUGH ON CRIME IS

MORE IMPORTANT.

I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE

PEOPLE OF ROXBURY AND THE

PEOPLE OF MASSACHUSETTS

ARE LOOKING FOR IN THEIR

GOVERNMENT.

>> Rooney: ALL RIGHT.

TIM CAHILL, WE LOOK

FORWARD TO HAVING YOU BACK

OVER THE NEXT MONTHS.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> Rooney: TOMORROW

NIGHT A RACE AGAINST THE

CLOCK AS A COMMUNITY TRIES

TO SAVE A NEIGHBORHOOD

INSTITUTION.

>> OUR FUNDRAISING GAP AT

THE END OF APRIL, WAS

$127,000, WHICH IS A

TREMENDOUS GAP.

>> Rooney: COMING UP

NEXT, ANOTHER QUARTER

FINAL ROUND OF HIGH SCHOOL

QUIZ SHOW.

I'M EMILY ROONEY.

GOOD NIGHT.