>> Rooney: TONIGHT ON
"GREATER BOSTON," THE
ARREST OF HENRY GATES
LEWIS, JR., AND NOW AN
INDEPENDENT REVIEW FINDS
FAULT ON BOTH SIDES.
PLUS THE VIRTUAL STREET
CORNERS PROJECT, FINDING
COMMON GROUND IN DIFFERING
NEIGHBORHOODS.
AND SOPHIE TUCKER, THE
LAST OF THE RED-HOT MAMAS.
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>> Rooney: GOOD EVENING,
THE ARREST OF HARVARD
PROFESSOR HENRY LOUIS
GATES, JR. WAS A NATIONAL
STORY, STOKING DEBATE BY
RACE RELATIONS AND
CULMINATING IN A BEER
SUMMIT AT THE WHITE HOUSE.
NOW AN INDEPENDENT
COMMISSION HAS RELEASED
THE FINAL REPORT ON THE
GATES' AFFAIR.
IF YOU'RE HOPING FOR A
DEFINITIVE PICTURE OF WHAT
HAPPENED THAT DAY, YOU MAY
BE DISAPPOINTED.
IT WAS LAST JULY 16th,
WHEN POLICE WERE CALLED TO
THE HOME OF HARVARD'S
HENRY LOUIS GATES', JR.
FOR A MISTAKEN BREAK-IN.
GATES HIMSELF WAS ARRESTED
BY SERGEANT JAMES CROWLEY.
AN ENCOUNTER THAT A NEWLY
RELEASE REPORT SAYS IT WAS
DOOMED ALMOST AS SOON AS
IT BEGAN.
>> THE SECOND CROWLEY AND
GATES ENCOUNTERED EACH
OTHER, THE SITUATION
DETERIORATED.
EACH REPORTED A CERTAIN
DEGREE OF FEAR OF THE
OTHER MAN AND CONFUSION
ABOUT THE OTHER MAN'S
BEHAVIOR.
>> Rooney: CAMBRIDGE
REVIEW COMMITTEE CHUCK
WEXLER SAYS POLICE AND
CITIZENS NEED TO DEFUSE
TENSE ACTIONS, SOMETHING
THAT GATES AND CROWLEY DID
NOT DO.
>> BOTH MEN CONTINUED TO
ESCALATE THE ENCOUNTER.
BOTH MEN MISSED
OPPORTUNITIES TO REACH A
BETTER RESOLUTION OF THE
SITUATION.
>> Rooney: TODAY'S
REPORT STOPS SHORT OF
SAYING THAT CROWLEY SHOULD
NOT HAVE ARRESTED GATES,
BUT CAMBRIDGE POLICE
COMMISSIONER ROBERT HANZ
SAYS THAT WHILE THE PUBLIC
SHOULD KEEP THINGS CALM,
LAW ENFORCEMENT HAS TO
TAKE THE LEAD.
>> SOMEBODY HAS TO TAKE
CONTROL OF THE SITUATION
AND BRING IT TO A
SUCCESSFUL OUTCOME.
>> Rooney: THE REPORT
CALLS FOR POLICE TRAINING
AND CONFLICT MANAGEMENT,
AND THE APPOINTMENT OF A
CAMBRIDGE POLICE COMMUNITY
ADVISORY BOARD.
>> THE FORCES ARE COMING
TO UNDERSTAND THAT HOW THE
PUBLIC PERCEIVES OUR
ACTION WITH POLICE IS JUST
AS IMPORTANT.
AND IN SOME CASES, MORE
IMPORTANT, THAN THE ACTUAL
OUTCOME.
THESE TRAININGS HAVE
GENERATED SOME REMARKABLE
CONVERSATIONS, AND REALLY
CHALLENGED SOME OF THE
MORE TRADITIONAL
APPROACHES THAT POLICE
HAVE BEEN TRAINED TO USE.
>> Rooney: WHAT THE
REPORT DOES NOT SAY IS
WHO'S ACCOUNT, GATES' OR
CROWLEY'S WAS CLOSER TO
THE TRUTH OR EXACTLY WHAT
ROLE RACE PLAYED.
PIERS THIS IS NOT JUST
ABOUT RACE.
THIS IS ABOUT SOMETHING
ELSE AS WELL.
YOU CAN'T TAKE RACE OFF
THE TABLE, YOU CAN'T TAKE
CLASS OFF THE TABLE OR
POLICE AUTHORITY OFF THE
TABLE.
>> Rooney: THAT LEAVES
THE FINAL MEANING OF
GATE'S GATE UNCLEAR.
JOINING ME IS CAMBRIDGE
CITY COUNCILLOR, KEN
REEVES, AND THE PROFESSOR
OF CRIMINAL JUSTICE AT
NORTHEASTERN UNIVERSITY.
STARTING WITH YOU, KEN,
WERE YOU SATISFIED WITH
THIS REPORT?
, YOU CAN SAY NO.
>> AS IT ROLLED OUT, IT IS
ABOUT A WEEK AFTER THE
INCIDENT THE POLICE
COMMISSIONER HAD A PRESS
CONFERENCE, AND HE SAID
THAT WE'D HAVE A
FACT-FINDING REPORT, AND
IT WOULD TELL US THE
DEFINITIVE ANSWER TO
WHETHER OR NOT PROFESSOR
GATES SHOULD HAVE BEEN
ARRESTED.
A WEEK AFTER THAT, OUR
CITY MANAGER HELD A PRESS
CONFERENCE WITH THE MAYOR
AND THE POLICE CHIEF AND
THE COMMISSIONER AND SAID
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE
COMMISSION, AND THEY'RE
GOING TO TELL US
EVERYTHING BUT WHAT
HAPPENED, WHETHER OR NOT
IT SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED
THE WAY IT DID.
SO IT DOESN'T SURPRISE ME.
I LIKE THAT IT IS
WELL-WRITTEN.
IT IS AN INTERESTING
WHITE-WASH, AND I'M HERE
TO BE THE BLACK RINSE OF
THAT TO SAY THAT YEAH,
RACE WAS IN IT.
POLICE DISCRETION EXISTS,
BUT WITH IT GOES THE
IMPLIED GOOD JUDGMENT.
AND I DON'T KNOW THAT GOOD
JUDGMENT IS EXERCISED WHEN
YOU GET ARRESTED IN YOUR
OWN HOUSE FOR TALKING BACK
TO THE POLICE.
IN AMERICA, THAT EQUATION
DOES NOT SEEM TO ADD UP.
>> Rooney: PETER, I KNOW
YOU HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE
TO LOOK AT IT THOROUGHLY,
IT IS 69 PAGES LONG AND WE
HANDED IT TO YOU SHORTLY
BEFORE YOU CAME HERE.
IT SEEMS THIS WAS AN EN
FACTO INDICTMENT OF THE
POLICE DEPARTMENT.
THEY WERE SAYING WHILE
CITIZENS HAVE THE
RESPONSIBILITY TO CONTROL
THEIR TEMPER, IT IS REALLY
THE POLICE THAT HAVE TO
TAKE THE LEAD ON THIS.
THEY WERE PUTTING THE
GREATER BURDEN OF THIS
INCIDENT -- THAT'S HOW I
READ IT -- ON SERGEANT
CROWLEY.
AGREED?
>> THE REPORT IS, AS YOU
SAID, I READ VERY QUICKLY
IN HIGHLIGHTS, AND THE
DATA -- THE GENERAL DATA
THERE ABOUT DISORDERLY
CONDUCT AND ARREST REALLY
HAVE NO BEARING ON
ANYTHING AT ALL BECAUSE
THEY'RE BASED ALMOST
ENTIRELY ON THE REPORTS
THE OFFICER WROTE.
>> Rooney: WHICH IS
STUPID, TOO.
>> REALLY OF NO VALUE
WHATEVER.
WE HAVE EDUCATED PEOPLE
WHO ARE VERY SOPHISTICATED
ABOUT WRITING REPORTS AND
MAKING THEM REASONABLE
WITH RESPECT TO ACTION.
THE SECOND POINT IS THAT
THE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE
ENTIRELY PLATITUDINESS,
AND I HAVE NO OBJECTION TO
WHAT IS STATED.
I THINK THE COMMITTEE --
PROBABLY THE THING I TOOK
THAT HAD THE MOST POWER TO
ME WAS THAT CITIZENS,
INCREASE, ARE OVERWHELMED
BY THE AUTHORITY OF THE
POLICE.
THEREFORE IT IS THE POLICE
JOB TO MAINTAIN CIVILITY
AND JUSTICE IN THEIR
DEALINGS.
BECAUSE AN INDIVIDUAL
PERSON IS LIKELY TO BE
EMOTIONAL, UNHAPPY,
UNWILLING TO DO.
I THINK, SECONDLY, THE
IDEA OF EXPLAINING AND
DISCUSSING WITH WHAT THE
ISSUES ARE WITH THE PERSON
AT THE TIME IN A QUIET WAY
WE KNOW WORKS VERY, VERY
WELL IN OTHER
CIRCUMSTANCES.
AND THE FINAL POINT WAS,
THE CHIEF SAID, WELL, HE
WAS ACTING WITH RESPECT TO
JUDGMENT.
AND LATER ON HE SAID
SOMETHING ELSE.
THERE WAS NO REASON TO
ARREST MR. GATES AT ALL.
HIS ADDRESS IS THERE.
HIS NOTORITY IS CLEAR.
>> Rooney: HE DIDN'T
KNOW WHO HE WAS.
>> THERE IS NO REASON TO
ARREST HIM.
HE SHOULD HAVE PROBABLY
SPOKEN TO HIM BRIEFLY.
>> Rooney: BUT, KEN, YOU
MUST FEEL DISAPPOINTED,
BECAUSE I KNOW I AM, THAT
RACE WAS NOT ADDRESSED.
I MEAN, THAT WAS THE
800-POUND GORILLA --
>> I HAPPEN TO THINK NOT
ONLY RACE.
BECAUSE I THINK THAT THE
POWER DYNAMIC HAS NEVER
BEEN SPOKEN TO ME.
BUT THE TRUTH IS, I'VE
DEVOTED MOST OF MY ADULT
LIFE TO LOVING CAMBRIDGE
AND MAKING IT A BETTER
PLACE.
>> Rooney: I KNOW YOU
DO.
>> I REALLY DON'T LIKE
THAT ONE INCIDENT AND ONE
OFFICER HAS BEEN ABLE TO
TAKE US TO AN
INTERNATIONAL REPUTATION
THAT WE DON'T DESERVE.
>> Rooney: WELL, I DON'T
KNOW IF THAT IS EXACTLY
TRUE.
>> WELL, I BELIEVE PEOPLE
DID FEEL THAT WE'RE A
LITTLE LIKE BOSTON MUST
BE.
AND WE HAVE TRIED VERY
HARD NOT TO HAVE THAT
DEFINITION.
BUT I WILL SAY THIS, AND I
MUST SAY THAT PROFESSOR
GATES IS A GOOD FRIEND OF
MINE AND A NEIGHBOR OF
MINE, AND SOMEBODY WHO IS
DEMINUATIVE AND HAS A
CANE.
BUT SOME OF THIS JUST
DOESN'T ADD UP, PERIOD.
>> Rooney: IT IS A VERY
CAMBRIDGE REPORT, KEN --
CAN I JUST SAY THAT?
IF YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN.
>> BUT NOT THE KIND THAT
WOULD BE COMMISSIONED BY
THE PEOPLE.
>> Rooney: IT'S
POLITICALLY CORRECT.
>> BUT THIS IS NOT THE
PEOPLE'S REPORT.
THIS IS A CITY MANAGER'S
REPORT.
>> Rooney: THEY WON'T
ANSWER OUR QUESTIONS.
WE OBVIOUSLY WANTED THEM
HERE TODAY.
>> I THINK THEY WANT
CREDIT THAT THEY DIDN'T
SWEEP EVERYTHING UNDER THE
CARPET.
SO THIS REPORT IS THE --
IS IT PALIABLE?
WHAT HAVE A REPORT TO NOT
ANSWER THE QUESTION ABOUT
THE INCIDENT THE REPORT IS
ABOUT.
>> Rooney: WE WANT TO
KNOW WHO WAS RIGHT AND WHO
WAS WRONG, AND HOW THIS
THING ESCALATED TO THIS
POINT.
WE WANT A BLOW-BY-BLOW.
AND THERE WERE OTHER
WITNESS THERE.
IT WASN'T JUST CROWLEY.
>> WHAT WAS THE CRIME?
WHAT WAS THE CRIME HE WAS
ARRESTED FOR?
>> WELL, THE COMMON THING
IS CONTEMPT OF COP?
>> Rooney: NO.
IT WAS DISTURBANCE OF THE
PEACE.
>> BUT I'M SAYING --
>> DISORDERLY CONDUCT.
PART OF WHICH IS
TUMULTUOUS BEHAVIOR, WHICH
HAS WHICH DEFINITION?
I THINK IT IS VERY
IMPORTANT THAT THE MEN OF
COLOR IN CAMBRIDGE WANT TO
KNOW, DOES THIS MEAN WE
CAN BE ARRESTED IN OUR
HOUSE FOR TALKING LOUD TO
POLICE IN OUR OWN HOUSE.
AND AMERICANS WANT TO KNOW
WHAT RIGHTS DO YOU HAVE IN
YOUR OWN HOUSE.
THE FACT THAT THE MAN WAS
IN HIS OWN HOUSE AND HE
IDENTIFIED HIMSELF AND HE
A HARVARD PROFESSOR --
SHOW ME THE LIST OF
HARVARD WHITE PROFESSORS
WHO HAVE BEEN ARRESTED BY
THE POLICE FOR TALKING?
>> Rooney: OR ANYBODY.
>> SO THESE ARE AMERICAN
ISSUES.
I DO NOT BELIEVE HE SHOULD
HAVE EVER BEEN ARRESTED.
>> Rooney: I THINK THIS
IS THE DISAPPOINTMENT IN
THE REPORT, PETER, THAT IT
DIDN'T -- THESE ARE THE
BIG ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN
DISCUSSED FOR A YEAR, BY
THE WAY, IT TOOK THEM TO
COME UP WITH THIS.
AS NICE AS IT IS NICELY
WRITTEN --
>> IT WAS PROMISED IN
SPRING AND WE'RE GETTING
IT AT JULY'S DOORSTEP.
>> MY GUESS IS YOU HAD
ENDLESS COMPROMISE IN THE
COMMITTEE BETWEEN THE
SCHOLARS, AND CHUCK
WEXLER, WHO I KNOW VERY
WELL, BUT WHO IS, AFTER
ALL, HEAD OF THE POLICE
SEARCH FOUNDATION.
AND I BELIEVE THAT THERE
WAS AN EFFORT THERE TO
MAKE A RATHER, AS I SAY, A
GLOSS OVER THESE DEEP
QUESTIONS.
I THINK THAT IF IT HAD
BEEN ANALYZED CLOSELY, IT
WOULD HAVE BROUGHT UP THE
POINT THAT FUNDAMENTALLY
WE HAVE TO IMAGINE AND
REMEMBER THAT OUR CIVIL
RIGHTS ARE JUST ABOUT AS
GOOD AT THE NEIGHBORHOOD
IN WHICH WE LIVE.
THAT'S IT, A QUOTE FROM MY
COLLEAGUE, PETER MOS SIC,
WHO IS A POLICE OFFICER IN
BALTIMORE AND HAS A
Ph.D.
>> SO HOW YOU MOVE TOWARDS
CIVILITY AND JUSTICE AND
EQUAL TREATMENT OF PEOPLE
EQUALLY, IS REALLY THE
QUESTION.
I DON'T THINK TRAINING
DOES IT.
I DON'T THINK EDUCATION
DOES IT.
I TEND TO BE VERY --
SHOULD I SAY
PESSIMISTIC --
>> I TEND TO BE
CONSTITUTIONAL.
AND AS AMERICANS WITH
INAILLIABLE RIGHTS, I
DON'T EXPECT THE POLICE TO
BE COME TO MY HOUSE AND
ARREST ME FOR TALKING.
IT DOES NOT REFLECT WHAT
THE GOVERNMENT WANTS FOR
CAMBRIDGE.
AND THIS POLICE
COMMISSIONER HAS BEEN VERY
CLEAR THAT THE
DEPARTMENTAL ANGST OR WAYS
THEY WOULD MOST WANT TO
MOVE IS NOT REFLECTED IN
THE ACTIONS OF SERGEANT
CROWLEY.
I WILL SAY THAT ABOUT THE
REPORT.
IT DID, RATHER THAN JUST
CO-SIGN EVERYTHING
SERGEANT CROWLEY DID, IT
DOES SAY THAT, YOU KNOW,
THIS IS NOT REFLECTIVE OF
WHAT IT IS WE WANT TO BE
DOING WITH THE COMMUNITY
AND WITH THE PEOPLE IN THE
COMMUNITY.
>> Rooney: IT SUBTLELY
TOOK RESPONSIBILITY ON THE
PART OF THE POLICE
DEPARTMENT.
RATHER THAN SAYING THIS
WAS ALL WRONG.
THIS WAS A HOT-HEADED
MOVE.
I MEAN, I COULD HAVE
WRITTEN THIS REPORT.
>> IT IS RATHER -- IT IS
SO PREDICTABLE.
IT JUST SEEMED THAT ALL --
TO HAVE A COMMISSION THAT
WAS NOT TO STUDY THE
QUESTION AT HAND WAS A BIG
TIPOFF, AND THAT IT SORT
OF CAME VERY LATE, AND IT
WAS SUPPOSED TO BE IN
SPRING.
THE COUNCIL, OF COURSE, IS
IN RECESS FOR THE SUMMER
UNTIL AUGUST.
IT DOES NOT REFLECT
ANYTHING THE CAMBRIDGE
CITY COUNCIL PUT ITS
FINGERS ON AT ALL.
I WILL SAY THIS: THIS IS
OUR CITY MANAGE'S REPORT
THAT IS REPORTING AN
INCIDENT FROM ONE OF THE
DEPARTMENTS.
IT DOES NOT REFLECT THAT
THEY HAD COMMUNITY
CONVERSATIONS AT 3:00 AT
THE LIBRARY.
IF YOU WANT THE COMMUNITY
IN THE CONVERSATIONS --
GIVE ME A BREAK.
THIS IS WHAT IT IS.
>> Rooney: SADLY, THIS
IS NOT GOING TO END THE
DEBATE.
PETER MANNING AND KEN
REEVES.
THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> Rooney: WHEN WE
CONTINUE, FINDING COMMON
GROUND BETWEEN TWO
NEIGHBORHOODS.