July 7, 2010: Green-Rainbow candidate Jill Stein

JILL STEIN IS MAKING HER

SECOND RUN FOR GOVERNOR.

THE GREEN RAINBOW PARTY

CANDIDATE RAN FOR THE

OFFICE IN 2000, SHE IS A

DOCTOR FROM LEXLY TON WHO

CLAIMS HE IS THE ONLY REAL

OUTSIDER IN THE RACE.

TONIGHT WE CONTINUE OUR

2010 MASS RACES WITH A

CONVERSATION WITH JILL

STEIN.

WELCOME, JILL STEIN.

>> THANK YOU, EMILY.

>> Rooney: WE WERE JUST

TALKING CASINOS, AND THERE

IS A NEW PROPOSAL OUT BY

SUFFOLK DOWNS, AND IT IS

LIKELY TO HAPPEN BEFORE

THE END OF THE SESSION,

JULY 31ST.

YOU'RE AN OPPONENT OF

THIS?

>> THAT'S RIGHT.

I THINK IT IS A GOOD

EXAMPLE OF WHY MY VOICE IS

NEEDED IN THE

GUBERNATORIAL RACE.

OTHERWISE WE HAVE THREE

CANDIDATES AMONG WHOM THE

DEBATE GOES NO FURTHER

THAN HOW MANY SLOTS SHOULD

WE HAVE.

>> Rooney: AND YOURS IS

BASED ON BOTH KIND OF A

MORAL ISSUE AND A

REVENUE-STREAM ISSUE.

YOU'RE NOT CONVINCED IT

WILL SOLVE THE PROBLEM IN

TERMS OF BRINGING THE

REVENUE IN?

>> I WOULDN'T EVEN SAY

MORAL.

BUT THE REVENUE.

CASINOS SHOW THEY DON'T

CREATE JOBS WHEN YOU

CONSIDER ALL OF THE JOBS

THEY DESTROY.

THE STUDIES SHOW FOR EVERY

ONE JOB CREATED BY THE

CASINO, THERE IS ONE AND A

HALF JOBS LOST IN THE

COMMUNITY.

>> Rooney: A LOCAL

RESTAURANT --

>> EXACTLY.

>> Rooney: SUFFOLK

DOWNS, THERE IS NOTHING TO

DESTROY IN THAT AREA.

OR PALMER.

>> IT IS NOT JUST IN THE

IMMEDIATE THREE TO FIVE

MILES.

>> Rooney: STANLEY

ROSENBURG HAS DONE SOME

STUDIES --

>> ACTUALLY, THE STUDIES

THAT WERE DONE, IT IS

INTERESTING, EMILY,

TAXPAYER DOLLARS WERE USED

FOR STUDIES IN THE HOUSE

AND THE SENATE, BUT THEY

ONLY LOOKED AT ONE SIDE OF

THE EQUATION.

THEY ONLY LOOKED AT THE

JOBS THAT WOULD BE

CREATED.

THEY DIDN'T LOOK AT THE

JOBS THAT WOULD BE

DESTROYED.

WHEN NEW HAMPSHIRE

ACTUALLY DID A STUDY THAT

WAS JUST RELEASED IN THE

LAST MONTH, THEY DECIDED

NOT TO GO AHEAD BECAUSE,

IN FACT, THEIR STUDY

VERIFIED PRACTICAL

EXPERIENCES --

>> Rooney: WHAT

HAPPENED?

>> LOOK AT NEVADA, FOR

EXAMPLE.

NEVADA IS THE POSTER CHILD

OF THE CASINO ECONOMY.

IT HAS THE HIGHEST RATE OF

UNEMPLOYMENT, IT HAS FIVE

TIMES THE NATIONAL AVERAGE

FOR FORECLOSURES.

THIS IS NOT A CREATIVE

ECONOMY.

CASINOS ARE NOT

PRODUCTIVE, THEY'RE NOT

MANUFACTURING OR CREATING

SOMETHING.

THEY'RE SIMPLY SUCKING

MONEY OUT OF THE ECONOMY.

MOST OF IT GOES TO THE

NATIONAL CASINO COMPANIES.

IT DOESN'T EVEN STAY HERE

IN MASSACHUSETTS.

WE WANT TO CREATE JOBS.

WE AGREE THERE IS A JOB

EMERGENCY --

>> Rooney: ON THE OTHER

HAND, IF CONSENTING ADULTS

WANT TO DO THIS AND HAVE

IT AS A RECREATION, WHY

NOT?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

BUT THIS IS NOT SOMETHING

THE STATE SHOULD BE

PROMOTING.

BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE

DAY, IT IS A LOSER.

THE STATES THAT HAVE

CASINOS, THEY ALL HAVE

HIGH UNEMPLOYMENT.

MAYBE YOU COULD MAKE AN

ARGUMENT FOR THIS 15 YEARS

AGO, BUT THAT SHIP HAS

LEFT THE HARBOR LONG

SINCE.

THIS IS DEFINITELY NOT THE

TIME TO BE DOING IT.

WE WANT TO BE CREATING

JOBS THAT STAY HERE, THAT

PAY GOOD WAGES, THAT

ACTUALLY CREATE A

PRODUCTIVE ECONOMY THAT

RECIRCULATES THE WEALTH.

THIS IS A TIME, REALLY

MORE THAN ANY, WHERE WE

NEED TO BE TRANSITIONING

TO THE SECURE, GREEN

ECONOMY.

WE NEED JOBS IN RENEWABLE

ENERGY AND CONSERVATION.

THESE ARE GOOD JOBS, THEY

STAY HERE.

AND THEY LOWER COSTS FOR

SMALL BUSINESSES AND

HOUSEHOLDS.

THEY'RE HERE FOR THE LONG

HAUL.

IT PREPARES US FOR THE

NEXT SPIKE IN OIL PRICES

AND SO ON.

THERE ARE MUCH MORE

CREATIVE, PRODUCTIVE

THINGS THAT WE NEED TO BE

DOING.

WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT WITH

THE CASINO DISCUSSION,

UNFORTUNATELY, IS SORT OF

THE POSTER CHILD FOR HOW

THINGS WORK ON BEACON

HILL.

THE INDUSTRY SPENT ABOUT

$12 MILLION OVER THE PAST

DECADE TO CREATE THIS

MYTHOLOGY THAT IT WOULD BE

INEVITABLE, AND THE

MYTHOLOGY THAT IT CREATES

JOBS, AND GAVE A LOT OF

CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS,

AND SPENT A LOT OF MONEY

ON LOBBYING.

THIS SHOULD NOT BE BE THE

DRIVER.

IT HAS GOTTEN US TO AN

ECONOMY THAT IS NOT

SERVING ORDINARY PEOPLE.

C.E.O.s ARE DOING WELL.

IF YOU LOOK AT WEALTH IN

MASSACHUSETTS, THE GAP IS

GROWING MUCH FASTER THAN

EVEN IN ALL OF THE U.S.

AND IN THE U.S. AS A

WHOLE, WE'VE SEEN THE

ECONOMIC GROWTH OF THE

LAST SEVERAL DECADES

REALLY BENEFIT THE TOP 1%,

MAYBE THE TOP 5%.

EVERYBODY ELSE IS REALLY

STRUGGLING.

IF YOU LOOK AT OUR HEALTH

CARE REFORM, FOR EXAMPLE,

IT IS ANOTHER CASE IN

POINT.

IT HASN'T SOLVED THE

PROBLEMS.

YOU PROBABLY SAW THE NEWS

JUST THE OTHER DAY THAT

WE'RE GIVING UP NOW.

THE LEGISLATURE IS GIVING

UP ON CONTROLLING COSTS.

THEY HAD THIS GREAT PLAN,

WHICH HAD NEVER BEEN

TESTED, AND HAS NEVER

WORKED, NEVER BEEN SHOWN

TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM, AND,

WELL, GUESS WHAT?

IT'S NOT WORKING.

SO HERE WE ARE WITH THE

SKYROCKETING HEALTH CARE

COSTS.

PEOPLE HAVE THEIR

INSURANCE PAPER, BUT THEY

CAN'T ACTUALLY AFFORD TO

GET THEIR HEALTH CARE.

AND IT IS BREAKING THE

BACKS OF OUR FAMILY

BUDGETS AND OUR STATE AND

TOWN BUDGETS.

THIS IS WHY I NEED TO BE

IN THE DEBATE.

OTHERWISE YOU'VE GOT THREE

CANDIDATES --

>> Rooney: WHAT WOULD

YOU DO ABOUT THE WHOLE

PENSION REFORM?

I MEAN SOME OF YOUR

COLLEAGUES OR OPPONENTS

HAVE SAID THEY WOULD STOP

TAKING PENSIONS -- THE

NEWLY ELECTED STATE-WIDE

WOULD STOP TAKING

PENSIONS.

DO YOU SUPPORT THAT?

>> TRUTH TO TELL, IT IS

WORTH CONSIDERING, AND

THERE MAY BE SOME MERIT TO

THAT.

BUT I THINK WE NEED A REAL

CHANGE IN THE CULTURE ON

BEACON HILL.

DEVAL PATRICK TALKED ABOUT

HOW HE WAS GOING TO CHANGE

THE BIG DIG CULTURE --

>> Rooney: BUT EVERYBODY

SAYS THAT.

>> EXACTLY.

>> Rooney: YOU SAY THE

BUDGET HAS MISPLACED

PRIORITIES.

LIKE WHAT?

WHAT WOULD YOU GO IN THERE

AND ABSOLUTELY EXPUNGE.

I KNOW I HAVE AN ANSWER TO

THIS.

>> I SURE DO.

>> Rooney: WHAT WOULD

YOU EXPUNGE?

>> I WOULD STOP THE

SWEETHEART DEALS AND THE

GIVE-AWAYS.

LIKE $300 MILLION WE'RE

PLAYING ON IN RAYTHEON AND

INFIDELITY TAX FUNDS.

>> Rooney: SO TAX

BENEFITS.

BUT THIS IS TO CREATE

JOBS.

>> WHICH IT WILL NOT DO.

HERE IS ANOTHER ONE:

$200 MILLION DEVAL PATRICK

WANTS TO SPEND BUILDING

SHOPPING MALLS AND PARKING

LOTS.

>> Rooney: THIS IS SMALL

STUFF IN A $28 BILLION

BUDGET.

HOW ABOUT EDUCATION, WOULD

YOU DIG INTO THAT?

>> OF COURSE NOT.

>> Rooney: WHY NOT?

>> WE'RE SPENDING

$1.7 BILLION ON THE TAX

CUTS.

$1.7 BILLION ON ECONOMIC

TACKS CUTS WHICH ARE NOT

DELIVERING JOBS.

>> Rooney: IT IS DEBATED

ABOUT THE MOVIES AND THE

FILM INDUSTRY.

>> NOT ONLY THE FILM

INDUSTRY, BUT YOU CAN LOOK

AT LIFE SCIENCES.

BUT THERE IS $1.7 BILLION,

AND THAT IS NOT TO SAY

EVERY ONE IS A WASTE, BUT

SOME ARE.

THIS IS WHAT WE MEAN ABOUT

SWEETHEART DEALS.

THIS IS THE INSIDER

CULTURE AND BEACON HILL

THAT I WILL CHANGE.

>> Rooney: AND WHAT

ELSE?

>> AND THE BOTTOM LINE IS

I'M NOT TAKING MONEY FROM

LOBBYISTS.

AND I DARE YOU TO FIND

ANOTHER GREEN PARTY THAT

CAN SAY THAT.

I DON'T COME WITH DEBTS TO

REPAY.

AND WE'VE SEEN THAT IN THE

LOUSY DEAL WITH GOT ON

HEALTH CARE.

AND SO PEOPLE ARE

STRUGGLING TO MAINTAIN

THEIR HEALTH CARE COVERAGE

NOW.

WE'RE SEEING IN EDUCATION.

WE'RE CUTTING EDUCATION.

AND WE'RE TAKING THE LID

OFF OF CHARTER SCHOOLS

WITHOUT HAVING SOLVED THE

PROBLEM THAT CHARTERS TAKE

MONEY OUT OF THE EDUCATION

BUDGET.

SO WE NEED TO GET THE

MONEY THAT IS BEING

WASTED.

IT IS A LOT OF THE

$1.7 BILLION --

>> Rooney: THAT'S A GOOD

ONE.

YOU WOULDN'T ALLOW THE

CHARTER SCHOOLS TO TAKE

MONEY OUT OF THE

INDIVIDUAL CITIES AND

TOWNS?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

THAT'S RIGHT.

AND CHARTERS DON'T HAVE A

TRACK RECORD FOR IMPROVING

EDUCATION.

>> Rooney: SO THEY

SHOULD BE LIKE PRIVATE

SCHOOLS?

>> YES, ALTHOUGH I THINK

THERE ARE IMPROVEMENTS

THAT WE CAN MAKE IN

MODELING THE CHARTERS.

AND THE INNOVATION OF

CHARTER SCHOOLS DON'T

QUITE GET THERE BECAUSE

THEY STILL ALLOW THE

CHARTER TO ESTABLISH

ITSELF.

CHARTERS NEED TO BE

APPROVED BY LOCAL SCHOOL

BOARDS TO ENSURE THAT THEY

CAN BE HANDLED BY THE

BUDGET.

OTHERWISE EVERYBODY

SUFFERS AND YOU GET A

SCHOOL THAT IS ESSENTIALLY

NOT HELD TO THE SAME

STANDARD.

>> Rooney: QUICKLY.

WHAT ABOUT THE TAXES HAS

BEEN EXCLUDED FROM THE ONE

DEBATE.

>> I WOULD SAY WE'RE

INCLUDED IN MOST OF THOSE

DEBATES, AND I WOULD

ENCOURAGE VIEWERS TO

CONTACT MEDIA SOURCE.

BECAUSE PEOPLE DON'T WANT

TO HEAR THREE VERSIONS OF

CASINOS AND THREE VERSIONS

OF HOW WE'RE GOING TO CUT

INTO OUR SCHOOLS AND

SQUANDER OUR TAX DOLLARS

IN SWEETHEART DEALS AND

RAISE TAXES, BY THE WAY,

ON ORDINARY WORKING

FAMILIES AND LET THE BIG

GUYS OFF THE HOOK.

SO I THINK THIS IS ABOUT

TAKING OUR DEMOCRACY BACK

FROM THE LOBBYISTS AND THE

INSIDERS, AND I WOULD

ENCOURAGE VIEWERS TO BE A

PART OF THAT EFFORT AND

ENSURE THAT IT HAPPENS.

>> Rooney: ALL RIGHT.

JILL STEIN, I'M SURE WE'LL

BE SEEING MORE OF YOU VERY

SHORTLY.

ALL RIGHT, WHEN WE

CONTINUE, ONCE THE NEW

WAVE OF FOLK, ELLIS PALM

RETURNS TO BOSTON TO

CELEBRATE A MILESTONE.